The Trade Down
I'm sure I'll be crushed by some, as I have on another blog run by a less fair and patient bastion of bloggers, but I'm looking at this anyway.
Many of us have commented that we'd be interested in a trade down, or at least looking at the option. What we lack is a real sense of what it could give us to have 4 extra picks in the next two drafts for the number one overall this year. I've compiled a list of possible prospects for each pick. Keep in mind, these draft positions are not set in stone just yet and these are only prospects taken from a few mock drafts that have placed players in the range of these draft positions. Next year's positions are, of course, very fluid and could change drastically.
So, without dragging on:
2012 Draft—
#4 (from C):
Robert Griffin, QB, Baylor
Justin Blackmon, WR, Ok. St.
Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
#26 (from C):
Chase Minniefield, CB, Virginia
Quinton Coples, DE, UNC
Mark Barron, SS, Alabama
Cordy Glenn, OT/G, Georgia
Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
#33:
Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
Dwight Jones, WR, UNC
Zach Brown, LB, UNC
Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
#36 (from C):
Jerel Worthy, DT, MSU
Antonio Allen, S, S. Carolina
Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin
#65:
Johnathan Banks, CB, Mississippi St.
Shaun Prater, CB, Iowa
Markelle Martin, S, Ok. St.
#96:
Tony Dye, SS, UCLA
Senio Kelemete, G, Washington
Marvin McNutt, WR, Iowa
Brandon Wheedon, QB, Ok. St.
2013 Draft—
#5-10(from C):
Robert Woods, WR, USC
Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
David Amerson, CB, NC State
Marcus Lattimore, RB, S. Carolina
#17-22:
Michael Dyer, RB, Auburn
DeMarcus Milliner, CB, Alabama
Tyler Eifert, TE, ND
Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State
Seantrel Henderson, OT, Miami
I realize this will be debate on fit and scheme versus overall position and value, BPA versus scheme, etc. I expect this and would welcome other suggestions to the fold. However, for me, I'd love to see the following picks made if we traded out of #1:
#4: Blackmon, WR, Ok. St.
#26: Mark Barron, SS, Alabama
#33: Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
#36: Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson or Zeitler, G, Wisconsin
#65: Shaun Prater, CB, Iowa
#96: Brandon Wheedon, QB, Ok. St. or Tony Dye, SS, UCLA
These are my choices for the first four rounds this year, although my mind could be changed. I feel like it addresses certain needs if we do things like let Dallas Clark and Wayne go, etc.
I'd love to hear what other people think, who they have on their radar and maybe discuss if they think this route is worth looking at in trade for the number one.
I like. This mock addresses the need for ball catchers since Wayne will be gone and most likely Clark, though Clark may get another year or 2 deal, but I would hope no longer.
What about David Molk, (Michigan) with pick #33 or #36? He won national Center of the year award and top Big 10 lineman of the year, and y'all want Zietler?
I was cut short on my earlier post. As far as your suggestions go, I don't have any major problems with anything you've suggested. Like I said, I have my doubts about Cleveland making a move, but with two first rounders this year maybe they would feel like they weren't losing as much. They certainaly wouldn't have to mortgage the future as much as the other teams I mentioned because of the extra pick. Anything is possible. I also don't think Blackmon will be there at #4. I see Luck, Kalil, and Blackmon being 1,2,3. I like Minnifield alot, but I would take Barron over him. I think you did a good job. What else is there to do other than speculate? Everyone in the media is. Why not us fans? I'm curious to see what others think.
@Peyton for President I could easily see some team trade up to #2 or #3 to get RGIII. I actually think it's much more likely than any team trading up to #1. For the first part of your post, i think Barron will go in the 1st round. There are so many teams looking for safety help, due the talent drought in recent years. I also donøt like the idea of a RB with a top 10 pick. RBs are simply not that important in today's NFL and we don't need one. Asuming your premise that Blackmon is gone, I'd go defense.
Yeah, you might be right about Barron. It was a hopefull pick. I went by CBS rankings, and a few mocks I've seen. I was expecting to get some pretty heavy criticism about Richardson. I really, really like Blackmon, but I don't think he makes it past pick 3. It's all in good fun. Just trying to think outside the box a bit. As far as going offense or defense, it really depends on who's available. I've always believed you take the best player available. Reaching to fill needs can leave you with a full roster, but it could also leave you without alot of much needed talent.
@Peyton for President Totally agree. At this point, as we have are our own opinions and speculations. Its fun to discuss it.
There you go again Omaha, Tearing down anyone who doesnt agree with your, All-in-for Luck agenda.
@omahacolt Your opinion, again. There are more ways to build a franchise than the one you're saying is a "guarantee".
@omahacolt@PeytonTheManning@AnotherWriter Go back to BBS's site, your type of flame throwing is welcome there
@PeytonTheManning@AnotherWriter you are welcome
i dont say my opinion is the only right one. people that share my opinion are correct as well.
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@omahacolt @AnotherWriter
I'm sure he, like pretty much everyone, is tired of hearing you say that trading the pick is a bad choice. You have no idea how Luck will develop in the NFL, and you don't know who the Colts would get by trading for multiple picks. Speculation and discussion is what everybody else does. You just tell everybody your opinion is the only right one. That's why I was disgusted to see that you started posting on this site, too. I stopped looking at the other site thanks to you and two other narrow minded fools.
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@omahacolt You didn't say it here. On another blog you've said he is a "sure thing" more than once.
I'm all for trading the pick assuming Manning is healthy. Cleveland would be the best option for the Colts to trade with, but I think the Redskins, Dolphins, or even the Seahawks would be more likely to want to deal. If we traded with Skins at six, if it were me making pick it would look something like this. #6 Trent Richardson. RB? I know, but this dude is a beast and in my opinion your highest picks need to make an immediate impact. No position is easier to make the college to pro transition than RB, and it would be the first time since Edge left that we truely had an elite back. Ask John Elway how important having a stud RB is.#33 Mohamed Sanu. Reggie isn't coming back and with Dallas a ? to be on next years roster, Manning is going to need some weapons.#38 Mark Barron. He's the best safety in this years draft. If he is availible it would be a no brainer. SS is a key to the cover 2. (See Bob Sanders) #65 Ben Jones. Jeff Saturday may return, he may not. Either way, we need interior help. If Jeff returns Jones would be an upgrade at gaurd. Without Jeff I could see Jones playing center if Pollak wasn't capable.#87 Case Keenum. I'de rather see the Colts bring in someone that will not mind playing backup while Manning winds down his HOF career. That is my take on things.
I forgot about Casey Kenum, though I would prefer Kellen Moore as Peytons back-up, but thats just my opinion
I like that you're listing different options at different positions, but you've got Minnifield and Dennard reversed. Right now Dennard is projected as the end of the first pick while Minnifield is usually in the top of the second.
That being said, I'm not wild about the trade down. I think the Colts are taking Luck because he fits what the Colts want in a QB and should make the transition from Manning, whether this year or in a year or two, much smoother without needing a massive rebuild. If you have a chance a franchise QB, you don't pass it up. Just look at Miami.
@TrueBlue87 I've found them in both positions. To me, they could flip flop in position and it really doesn't make too much of a difference with who you're choosing. I'd like either of those guys in blue.
As far as trading vs. not, I'm not advocating that we don't take Luck. Just that it is an option that could be looked at.
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Yeah that is a hell of a draft if that is the way it fell out. Although I think I would take Kellen Moore over Wheedon late. Still that would be a close to dream draft as it reloads what is essentially the entire glaring needs of the Colts.
@JustAJ Again, I'm okay with Kellen Moore, though I do worry about his size if you're looking at prototypical QBs. But Brees has success, so that might not matter. I've also seen Moore going higher than where I have Wheedon selected in some drafts, so I wasn't really sure if the Colts would use an early pick on what would, if Peyton plays again, essentially be a backup.
Wow. You really are a little kid. I was just joking. Only a little kid, with a possible learning disability, would reply to someone calling them 12 by asking if they're 12. I'm glad I've wasted time assuming you would eventually say something worthwhile. I see now that was never going to happen. Oh well. Enjoy your trolling.
@omahacolt
That's one of the biggest problems with kids nowadays. Drinking before you're even in high school. I blame television. Hit the books, chief.
yeah. i misspell words. it happens. especially when drinking. i dont even know who selena gomez is.
your post was horrible. very mature there, killer
Unless Omaha is in Britain, judgment doesn't have an "e" after the "g", oh brilliant one. Worship also only has one "o".
I haven't seen a comment from you that anybody over the age of 12 would find amusing. You might be a solid addition to a Justin Bieber fan board, or a Dora the Explorer discussion group.
I have done nothing to show that I am solely devoted to Manning. I am devoted to the idea of making the most of what will probably be the team's last first pick in years. My entire argument is based on logic and maximizing the value of the pick. Your entire argument is that Selena Gomez is an incredibly underrated actress and musician.
@PeytonTheManning your hero worshop of manning clouds your judgement.
stick around and you will see that i am brilliant, hilarious, and a great addition to any colts board
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@omahacolt
I still have not seen a single comment of yours that did anything but hinder your argument. You're just a troll who hides behind Colts related comments. It would be nice to talk to someone over the age of 13, so there might actually be some intelligent banter. That's not really what the internet is for. It's for acting like a little kid and accomplishing nothing of value.
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That is the most recent information available about his progress. Until something new comes out, that is all we available to base opinions on whether he will return. Yet again, you are just laughing to yourself with no factual information to back up your stance. You really do waste a lot of space on these boards.
@omahacolt
He was throwing at 85-90% a month ago. There's no reason to assume he won't be healthy when they evaluate him leading up to the March 8th deadline.
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@omahacolt
"Smart business" would be getting the highest possible value from that pick. There's no way that would be to draft 1 person when you could draft 5. You also have absolutely no insight backing your claim that Manning probably won't be back. Irsay said he will be a Colt, if healthy. His doctors said he will be back at full strength, if his disks fused. They have achieved fusion, so there's no reason to assume he won't be back. Try occasionally backing your arguments with facts.
@AnotherWriter@JustAJ because we have the #1 pick in the draft. we should pick the best player in the draft. thats just smart business.
plus manning probably wont be back with the team.
@omahacolt@JustAJ Why take someone to sit with the number one when you could trade the pick for more picks, hedge your bets, and pick someone to sit later?
@AnotherWriter@JustAJ i can agree with that. but why not at least get a qb that has the tools to be an nfl qb. you might as well try and develop a guy that has the best chance to turn into a football player
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@omahacolt@JustAJ I'm not arguing he would be the best choice, but if you're picking a backup and someone you can try to coach up, no one has to be the best.
I would love this. However, I wonder if it's possible to snag a couple of the Brown's players. Taylor, Rubin, or Haden in exchange for next year's first round pick from them. If we are hedging on bets on Manning, then we need guys who can contribute now! Can you imagine Blackmon at #4, Barron in the 20s, and Joe Haden!!!!
@JonathanCaldwell Perhaps one, but I doubt they'd be willing to give away their building blocks to get another.
I would love this acenario. I do, however, also think that it's unrealisric that Cleveland gives up that many picks this year. I think it'll help if either the #26 or #36 picks is changed to a pick next year or even the following year.
@gizzardfanny Many have predicted the #1 could be worth 5 in trade. 3- 1s, 2- 2s. Whether those are spread over two or three years, it could still be a great chance to build and add pieces in the top half of the draft.
@AnotherWriter Not disagreeing with that point, but I have not seen a single Browns fan that wanted them to trade up. I know the Browns trade is popular among Colts fans, it just seems unrealistic and too optimistic to me.
@gizzardfanny@AnotherWriter My buddy is a Browns fan and he told me he would love to trade up for Luck, most Browns fans think that Colt McCoy is NOT the answer..and after seeing him play for 2 seasons now, i agree
@AnotherWriter I'm not discrediting that it is good for the Colts. It isn't good for the Browns so I guess it depends on how stupid you think the Browns GM is.
@gizzardfanny But you can't discredit it just because Browns fans don't discuss it. Also, it could be that the picks are spread over more years if the trade comes from another team, if it were to happen.
