ManningWatch: PfP Dances a Jig
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"My goal is to make Peyton Manning the best quarterback to ever play the game." =- John Elway.
I hope Irsay's watching this and crying like a three year old girl.
@pierrezombie Irsay is going to age twenty years over the next 6 months. Hope he stays off the bottle. Peyton might not be the only one who has to rehab.
@Peyton for President I'm really hoping for this, but I'd settle for them getting Mike Wallace. Ha ha.
@pierrezombie I don't know how I feel about them going after Wallace. They would have to give up there first rounder. On the other hand, it's Mike Wallace. I think they will either get a DT or CB in the first round and both are needed badly. The Broncos have some major pieces in place, but certainly aren't without holes. I personally think they should bring in a couple low priced free agents on offense. Saturday, Tamme, Clark, Addai, Plaxico?, Early Doucet, or maybe a Ted Ginn. A couple of guys like that with the addition of Peyton and their O is no joke. I think they need to spend there real money on the D. Resign Bunkley. Maybe go after Curtis Lofton. The DT from Cincy maybe. With Peyton at the helm there O is already legit. They definetly need some help on D. But hey,I've been studying their roster for all of about 30 hours so what do I know? I'm sure they are looking into what's best for their team. I couldn't be more excited to watch this unfold. Super stoked to watch the presser in about a half hour.
@pierrezombie Yes Thomas is bigger and more physical and doesn't quite have the blazing speed as Wallace, but has athletic and physical tools Reggie never had. It remains to be seen if he has the dedication and smarts that Reggie has. If he does, look out.
@Peyton for President I thought Thomas was a little bigger and without the same top gear in speed, a little more Reggie to Wallace's Marvin ( to give both young guys WAY too much credit in service of making a comparison!) if so, that'd be one hell of a one-two combo for Manning to play with, especially with Decker in the Stokely/Collie role and Clark or Tamme playing as Clark circa 2006.
@Peyton for President Yeah, that makes sense. While it was super awkward at the time, I still chuckle at the line that went something like, "it's not MY science; it's science." Classic. I just did a crap job summarizing the medical situation on the "pull the chute" thread. Help!
@Peyton for President That's so great. I'm very encouraged that the Broncos FO and coaches seem to understand the opportunity that just fell into their laps. I think they'll do everything possible to not squander it. And I hope Manning went to sleep last night feeling appreciated, for a change.
@pierrezombie I particularly loved it when Elway described taking Manning's phone call when he informed Elway he wanted to be a Bronco. Elway gives the thumbs up, and Fox jumps up and down in elation......Absolutely priceless.
@pierrezombie Honestly there was a time when I was rather worried as well. That's when I decided to do my homework. The more research I did, the more confidence I gained. I was never posting my personal opinions. I was posting either scientific fact, or the opinions of doctors. Dude, I read soooo much stuff about single level antior fusions, forimanotomies, and peripheral nerve damage that I almost quit my day job to become a neurosurgeon as I had already felt I could practically perform the surgery myself. My opinions always lined up with the opinions of every doctor that had commented or wrote medical studies regarding this particular injury. I really can't even guess how many hours I spent studying about this. That's part of the reason I became so pissed and defensive. Knowing the time I spent searching for and reading info so not only I could have piece of mind, but to relay the "good news" to others, just to be dismissed as a "grossly informed, desperate fan" really sent me on a warpath. I didn't just luck out and end up right. I was right all along, and for the right reasons. It was all there for anyone willing to spend the time digging that had the ability to understand the medical language. I know that doesn't justify some of my behavior, but maybe it makes it a little bit easier to understand my position. Thanks for not writing me off as a lunitic. Ya know what? I'm gonna go dance a jig.
@Peyton for President And today's press conference lt like the yang to the farewell announcement's ying (or vice versa). Felt like I'd fricking earned it after suffering through the last one. Loved some of the quotes in it, both by Manning and Elway. The one where Elway asked Manning if there was any doubt in his mind if he'd return to form was so sweet.
@Peyton for President Me, too. It looked so much like he was done for good ther for a while... I'm still impressed as how resolved you were that he'd come back to play. Interesting how the contract has protection for the Broncos in every year -- so amazing that Manning's sticking to his desire to not leave a team stuck with his dead money (to the extent the system allows for it), especially when he could have named any price for a team like the Titans.
@pierrezombie Oh I agree, Wallace is a special talent, and if they went that route I wouldn't disagree with it. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I like it. At the same time with Peyton throwing the ball Thomas could be a Mike Wallace in the making.I do think they would be smart to bring in another outside threat to move Decker to the slot. One thing I am certain of is Elway is licking his chops to give Peyton what he needs to be successful, and I can't fricking wait to see what they do. Seriously, words really can't express how exited I am.
@Peyton for President Yes, but it's a low first rounder, and they seem to have the cap space to cover his contract. Especially with two great pass rushers on D, I'd be happy to see them load up on offense. It's been proven as a viable way to win the last few years. Let's say Manning only manages to play 2-3 years of that contract at a high level. Would you rather have him throwing to Wallace, or the 10th WR in this year's draft? Plus, it either makes Pittsburgh match the offer, or takes as asset away from a conference rival.
But yes, either way I'm totally with you on the excitement. The benefits of having two favorite teams are already materializing. Everything with the Colts is pretty much known from now until the start of the 2nd round on draft day (unless they trade Freeney). But everything with the Broncos is as up in the air and fluid as possible. I can't remember a better March to be an NFL fan.
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@pierrezombie I do too. Peyton made Irsay sweat for a while , but in the end Colts fan don't have to deal with Peyton in TN. I like Peyton in the AFC. AFC was weak as hell last year. It will be interesting to see what other moves Elway makes to build around Peyton. Saturday, Clark, Addai? They have some nice pieces, but aren't quite there yet. Any of those three wouldn't break the bank and would certainly help. It's going to be fun to watch. I also like Peyton going to a cold weather, outdoor venue. Looks like he has something to prove. Dome-baby? Apparently he doesn't think so.
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@Peyton for President Any time a player says he doesn't have anything to prove, it's code for, "I have something to prove."
On Peyton's career legacy to-do list, I think he just added something along the lines of killing any doubt that Irsay screwed this up badly. Two more rings in five years should check that one off.
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@Peyton for President As long as Manning's starting, I'm watching every game by both teams next year, and rooting for them equally. I know that'll be heresy to some around here, but he's my favorite player of all time by that big a margin.
@pierrezombie Yep, me too. Colts will always be my first love, but the Broncos just earned a spot in my heart as well. My next jersey will be a Broncos #18. If I go to a game in the next few years it's going to be to watch the Broncos. Colts still have my support, but it will be a little while before they gain my financial support back. Obviously I will still be following this rebuild as closely as anyone, but I will be following the Broncos equally as intently.
"All involved teams are comfortable working off Manning's previous contract with the Colts, which was five years for $90 million, or an average of $18 million per year. It's possible that his next contract could escalate to $20 million per year, maybe even $22..." Mike Klis, Denver Post
@omahacolt Nonsense. You can't say he's holding out when there's a desperate three-way bidding war to claim him.
@pierrezombie @omahacolt he is taking his time and drumming up the best deals he can get for himself and the worst deal he can make for his new team
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@omahacolt AND...
"My initial reaction is that Manning could have leveraged much more money if he wanted to. The Titans and Seahawks probably would have paid more and required less protection. This is a contract where the player saying, “It’s not about the money” truly means that. There are few deals in sports that are by definition good for both sides. This appears to be one."
- Andrew Brandt, http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/55762/brandt-assessing-peyton-manning’s-deal
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@omahacolt Find one source that supports this nutty idea. You won't -- there aren't any. It's just your weird bias talking.
On the other hand:
"Manning is comfortable enough with Denver that he has directed Condon not to negotiate with the other two finalists, the 49ers and Titans, to avoid any perception that he was seeking financial leverage, sources said." - Mortensen and Schefter, ESPN
"We know Manning's next contract will not be an incentive-laden deal. There will be incentives, but they will be layered on top of what should be a heavy guarantee. Because there were multiple suitors, the question is whether it will rival the contract just terminated by the Colts, with $26.4 million in the first year (already earned by Manning) and an $18 million average over the life of the deal." - Andrew Brandt, ESPN
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@omahacolt @pierrezombie If you were fired from your job at McDonalds would you go run straight to a Burger King, or would you see if Taco Bell or Wendys had anything availible for a grade school drop out? This very well might be the biggest decision he has ever had to make concerning his career. He is exploring all his options and figuring out the best possible situation for him. There are more factors involved in this than your tiny little brain can handle.
@omahacolt Just writing random one and two syllable words with no meaning....same ole Omaha.
I'll keep on updating as more news comes out. Peyton Manning passed the Titans team physical on Wed and will throw for them Saturday at 10:45AM. He has reportedly told teams he will make a decision by Mon or Tue. I think the fact that he threw for the Broncos on Fri. and he is throwing for Ten on Sat. speaks volumes on where he is at with his recovery. All three teams have at least 20mil in cap space with the Broncos leading the pack with over 40mil availible.
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Peter King tweeted that the Broncos are offering a 5 year 90mil contract. Sound familiar? A San Fran source said that Harbaugh was very impressed by Manning's throwing session. Elway said he looked great. David Cutcliffe did a recent interview in which he said nothing but positive things about Manning's ability. Stokely said he looked as good as ever, and could play tomorrow.I have to admit that it somewhat bothers me that so much negative info was being leaked by the Colts and now all you hear is how great he looks. Sounds like the Colts cut a healthy Peyton Manning and were spinning the facts to justify the decision that Irsay made in December.
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@Peyton for President This is looking more and more true. There's no way one of those teams pays him a top contract on a pure gamble, and its highly doubtful that he's showing something substantially better in throwing now than he was when Irsay cut him. I think the Colts cut a healthy Peyton F. Manning.
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@Goéland (Holy crap! I hit "reply" and it worked! With the e´and everything! Yay, Livefyre. It took six months, but who's counting?)
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@Goéland I "Like" your "Dislike". In fact, I'll second it and add a "Hate".
I think I understand why Irsay made the choice he did; on odd-numbered days I can even see the reasoning behind it. But I'm still not sure I'll ever forgive him for it.
@pierrezombie @Peyton Either that or Manning made a miraculous recovery within days of being cut. I guess maybe someone could have kidnapped the real Peyton and sent a terminater version of him back from the future. For the sake of believing Irsay at his word, lets not rule anything out.
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Thanks for posting this Zombo. I understand why CA isn't writing anything on Manning as he is no longer a Colt, I just figured alot of fans might want a place to share any Manning thoughts. Personally my head is spinning from following the Manning saga unfold. It seems like everyday my mind changes on where I think he should go. Before he was cut I was thinking AZ. Then when he visited the Broncos I felt they where a better match. More cap space and better D. Then TN jumped in and because of the weather, personal comfort in the state and knowing the division I thought they might be a better fit. Now with San Fran in the fold, it almost seems like a no brainer. Manning with a top defense backing him up. WOW! I'm losing hair over this. I can't wait to see what happens.
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@Peyton for President And yeah, that's what I'm thinking about the potential destinations, too. If he lands in SF that wild be amazing; all 11 starters returning on that defense? Frank Gore in the backfield? Woof. That's my current #1 hope for him, with Denver a not too distant second. Manning's no-huddle at Mile High, running opposing defenses into the ground; playing the miserable AFC West; Elway stockpiling weapons for him in hopes of giving Manning the same kind of ending to his career... Makes me happier about football than anything in a long time.
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@Peyton for President Yeah, me too. Exactly. I understand why the Authoritarians decided to focus on the current team, but to me Manning is still the biggest Colts story until the draft. Hopefully they won't mind if we use the Reader Blog to follow it.
