Greg Cosell has an opinion that Luck isn't a "special" passer. He's crazy. I don't know any other way to say it but crazy gets airplay. And he gets more airplay today with Mike Florio of PFT:
He firmly believes that Griffin is a better passer. Let me break it down for you: Griffin is two inches shorter and has a three-quarters motion. Cosell calls this "natural." I call it something that rhymes with "course fit." Griffin is a good passer but calling it "natural" and perhaps better than Luck is crazy.
Luck has a solid throwing motion, enough strength and accuracy to complete 70 yard bombs. More importantly I see two traits an NFL passer needs that Luck possesses: the ability to read defenses and incredible pocket presence. More often than Luck, Griffin feels the pressure and takes off. Luck has enough athletic ability to run but I saw him stand in the pocket and take the hit to make the completion more frequently than Griffin. Passing is much more than arm strength as Cosell does a poor job of pointing out.
His arm strength is without question not as good as Griffin. It's not as a good as Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf either for that matter
Sounds like there is a comparison between Griffin and Rothlesberger??? Any thoughts on whether the Colts would be interested him over Luck b/c of the teams' ties to Pittsburgh?
RG3 actually stays in the pocket too long on many occasions when he should just run the ball; he is just a pass first QB, and he needs to learn how to know when a play is over and either run the ball or get rid of it. At the next level he will not be able to stay back there and take a long time to make the pass, hopefully this does not cause him to get hurt.
One thing Griffin showed at his pro day that Luck did not: his touch down celebration. If Luck can't bring a spontaneous-but-well-rehearsed touch down dance to Indianapolis, I don't want him.
I gotta disagree with you, Todd. I don't see Griffin's motion as three-quarters, and I don't think the height is all that important (6'2" is fine for me).
The pocket presence might be true, but I think Griffin's arm, touch, feel for throwing is just as good as Luck. I'm no Greg Cosell (or Mayock, or any draft-nik) but I see them really close. I've never been that impressed with Luck. I'm not saying he's not good, but I haven't seen someone who looks like the best prospect since Elway. Personally, I thought Carson Palmer and Sam Bradford were just as good as Luck coming out.
@dmstorm22 Bradford was good, but did not have the pro style experience, and although he is accurate he is not as good at reading defenses.
@paulcareyjr The pro-style thing. That isn't Bradford's (or Griffin's, or any other QB who plays in a spread offense's) fault. Bob Stoops isn't paid to develop talent, and put talent in the most NFL-ready situations. He's paid to win games. In college, spread (and even more so spread option with running QBs) wins games a lot more easily. Drew Brees didn't really play in a pro-style offense. I don't think Aaron Rodgers did either.
I really think that the fact Luck has experience in a pro-style offense is being considered way too heavily. I like Luck mainly because he had has experience changing plays and had great pocket presence. I don't care that he had the good fortune of playing in a pro-style offense.
@dmstorm22 Lol, who said it was their fault... I think you are a little off base with what I was saying, as far as Luck it is not just that he had the pro style experience but also that he was successful in it.
There is a lot to like about Luck other than this one thing of course but this is one key difference I think between Bradford and Luck, and what caused not to excel in the NFL as much as he did in college.
Finally there is a lot to like about Griffin and with those other QBs you mentioned along with Griffin it is all about the transition and if they will be able to make it successfully. When Rodgers came to the Packers he was not phenomenal, he had to learn, same with Brees his first 3 years were not all that special.
I think Griffin has the capability to be successful but I think it will take longer than Luck.
@NateDunlevy Do you always clump your posts together like that? Ever consider spreading them out by scheduling?