I have this thing with relationships. Whenever one ends - intimate, friendly, or otherwise - there's no going back. I don't want to keep in touch, I don't want to catch up every few months, I don't want to run into you at the mall.
It doesn't matter if things ended mutually, amicably. I don't care if it was for the best. I don't care if it's what I wanted. How and why things ended have no bearing on the situation.
And no, I don't care how either of us is doing. Are we miserable? Don't care. Are we happy? Trust me, I don't care. Have we both moved on to bigger and better things? Seriously, I don't care.
Once it's over, it's over, and I don't care to go back.
I've had a few sports loves in my life. I grew up with a Chicago Cubs team that featured the likes of Mark Grace, Andre Dawson, Ryne Sandberg, Greg Maddux, Joe Girardi, and Shawon Dunston.
I got indoctrinated into hockey by a Pittsburgh Penguins team starring Mario Lemieux, Jaromir Jagr, Paul Coffey, Ron Francis, Rick Tocchet, and a handful of other all-stars and Hall of Famers.
My love for the Colts was born of my parents' intense hatred for Dan Marino and the Miami Dolphins. Though it didn't start with great players on great teams, I eventually fell in love with Captain Comeback and had my heart crushed by Aaron Bailey.
Then, in 1998, the Colts drafted this lanky, goofy looking, forehead-dominated genius of a man named Peyton Manning with the first-overall pick. I didn't know it at the time, but his arrival in Indianapolis would have a profound impact on my life.
His Indianapolis Career didn't get off to the fastest start - a 3-13 record (QB WINS!), 28 interceptions, and a 71.2 QB rating didn't do much to convince the world that the greatest player of all time had just stepped into the league - but even then, you could see the wheels of his beautiful mind turning.
Every play - be it a huge success or an embarrassing failure - was more about the next 10 plays than it was that moment. He was learning. Learning about himself, about his team, and, as we would come to find out, about the defense. Each play was just one tiny piece of a 42-billion piece puzzle.
By his 6th season, he was being talked about as the best in the game. By his 7th he was breaking records people had long thought of as untouchable. While his gaudy stats were often the focus of the national audience, it's what took place the 39 seconds before each snap that made Peyton Manning unique, special, remarkable.
In those 39 seconds, from the end of the last play till the beginning of the next, Manning would spend his time surveying the field. He would stare at the 11 men charged with stopping him. He would note their position and their formation. How many linebackers were on the field? How deep were the safeties?
All of these variables would be run through the Cray on his neck. He would sort through the number of times he's seen that personnel in that formation before. What did they do in the past? How can he attack it? Would it be a run? If so, what kind and to what direction? Would it be a pass? Sometimes, Manning would micromanage the audible down to a specific player's specific route, like when he signaled Brandon Stokley to run a post-corner route before the two hooked up on a 21-yard TD pass that broke Dan Marino's single-season touchdown record.
No wonder the man's head is so big. Where else would you fit the computer?
Manning made countless gorgeous throws in his time in Indianapolis. He won at least 10,000 games. He led some of the most-spectacular come backs in NFL history. But it was his brain that captured my heart.
It hasn't always been easy being a Colts fan. The teams in the 80s and early 90s weren't exactly great... or even good... or even average... or even watchable. And then, after Peyton, it was that the success wasn't enough. Yeah, stats are nice, make the playoffs. Yeah, playoffs are nice, win a game. Yeah, a win is nice, win two. Yeah, two wins are nice, win a Super Bowl. Yeah, a Super Bowl is nice, win two. And so on and so forth.
At some point, Peyton Manning became more than the Colts quarterback. He became our quarterback. We would defend him from the unfair criticism of the media. We would point to the stats. We would show multiple missed field goals that would have greatly improved the Colts' playoff record under Manning - while other quarterbacks were lauded largely due to the success of their kicker. We would talk about defenses and special teams that continued to wilt under the playoff spotlight. He ain't heavy, he's our quarterback.
After winning a Super Bowl title and a Super Bowl MVP award in 2006, Manning and his minions began to push back the media-driven choker narrative. He had his title and people were now willing to speak of him as one of the all-time greats. His level of play didn't change. He was still consistently great. They just viewed him differently due to the outcome of one game.
Then, in the blink of an eye, it was all undone. Trailing by 7 in Super Bowl 44, Manning threw that fateful pick-6 to Tracy Porter. The myriad of mistakes leading up to that point didn't matter. The fact that the Colts were only driving for a tie didn't matter. The fact that the Colts defense had yet to stop the Saints in the second half didn't matter. 2006's Ring and all the stats in the world couldn't save Manning or his fans from the wave of "CHOKER" that was about to wash over them.
In a way, Manning's consistent greatness worked against him. The world loves the notion of players who ratchet up their play in the post-season. Manning was already the best player in the league, accompanied by eye popping stats. It's hard to go higher than that. And then, with the Porter pick-6, Manning's detractors would have an indelible imagine to show anytime someone mentioned him as one of the game's greats.
For all the great Manning did on the field, I was as impressed with the man off the field. While we never really know the athletes we spend our days obsessing (healthily) over, Manning was either a remarkably kind, thoughtful individual, or the world's most-elaborate walking insincerity.
There are the stories of Manning's letters, those written to players who had recently retired. Then there was his charity work. Manning is a member of the Red Cross Celebrity Cabinet. He created the Peyback Foundation to help disadvantaged children. And, in 2007, St. Vincent Children's Hospital in Indianapolis changed its name to Peyton Manning Children's Hospital at St. Vincent, in honor of his close work with the hospital.
In a time when players' faces were as well known for their mugshots as their team photos, Manning's ability to be a great player was enhanced by his ability to be a greater human.
While I had always appreciated Manning's off-field behavior, it became even more important - and special - to me as I grew older. I have two kids, both boys. When the Colts won Super Bowl 41, my oldest was 18-months old. When the Colts lost Super Bowl 44, he was 4 and my youngest was 2.
That's the last time Peyton Manning would suit up for the Indianapolis Colts.
There was a circus, dressed up as a Super Bowl.
I'm coming home
tell the world I'm coming home
Let the rain wash away
All the pain of yesterday
And they've forgiven my mistakes
I'm coming home
I'm coming home
tell the world I'm coming...
Then he will look at us and we at him, and we'll realize that you can never truly come home.
I finally read something that has slightly lowered the esteem to which I hold Peyton.
Apparently, Wormtongue Kravitz (if we are to believe him, which is a big "if") stole a few moments of private time yesterday with Peyton. And the conversation did not simply consist of Peyton uttering three words, "GFY".
Mutual emotions until right here... "And then he and his new army of Broncos will kick his old army's asses up and down the field for four quarters."
I look forward to our young new general beating the tar out of the Broncos as 18 used to do in his heyday...homecoming or not...this...is...Indy!
I think it was said below. Great article, best Colts blog bar none.
Also said below: either way this game turns out its a heartbreaker for me. A tie would be nice.
I'm really starting to hate irsay.
We've gotten into [pretty stupid semantics] arguments and you don't like me. And neither of us cares how the other is doing...
But I'm coming out of exile to say well done, sir.
From a Kravitz USA Today piece (a match made in Hell!) last March:
"According to Irsay, in 2004, a frustrated Polian was at wit's end as he attempted to secure Manning's new $98 million contract and, in a fit of pique, told Irsay, "We need to trade Peyton; we can get a bunch of defensive players and become like Tampa Bay or Baltimore." Irsay said no. "Understand something, Bill, we are not trading Peyton Manning, period,'' Irsay recalled telling the former team president."
Has Polian ever commented on this claim?
Sums up how I feel about Peyton to a tee. I don't see anyway this game is going to have a happy ending. On one hand, our team may lose and even if it is Peyton doing it, I'm never happy about that. On the other side, watching Peyton lose or having a bad game is unbearable because of unwarranted media scrutiny he will have to endure that will follow. He is still the GOAT to me, still my quarterback (despite the incredible talent we have as his successor).
In the end, I can't turn my back on the Colts, but its damn hard not to when the player who sparked your interest in the team is opponent.
Lovely article, Greg.
My heart was broken when Peyton was let go, too. But, I am a long-time Colts fan, and a short-time Peyton fan. He will always occupy a special place in my heart, but he is no longer a Colt . As you said, Andrew is now King Colt ! Long live the King !
Maybe , after Denver's players saw the Colts lay a huge egg in San Diego, they will be ripe for their own "trap" game. Although, I truly believe that our Colts are good enough to put a beat-down on Denver similar to what they did in Frisco.
Don't hurt Peyton . . . just kick his ass ! :-)
This was beautifully written. And as TrueBlue87 notes below, "a fitting eulogy"... a fitting burial of the relationship between the Indianapolis Colts and Peyton Manning.
But my relationship with Peyton Manning remains unbroken, because my feelings toward him have never changed. He has never betrayed me... even as a Colts fan.
Everything you thank him for, still holds true for me. He is still an amazing player. He is still an amazing ;person. He still brings me unadulterated joy. He still makes football fun. He still makes me think about it on another level. He is still changing the position. He is still changing the way offenses work. And most importtant, he is still Peyton Manning.
You say goodbye, I say hello.
Thanks Greg, you and the rest of the gang here have such heart to your writing and you get the average fan.
I am a one woman man. I married the first girl I dated, the only girl I kissed, the only one I told I loved...
And that is how I was raised. Faithfulness, fidelity, partnership, loyalty. Everything about the last two years has been difficult for me to justify. It is the lack of everything I was raised to believe in, everything that I have built my life around.
Even if Peyton didn't make it back to the field, if the injury was career ending, I would choose faithfulness.
So yeah, this week sucks for me, because as a fan, how do I retain my covenant loyalty to my team and my quarterback at the same time?
Welp, Greg. Go ahead and delete the dumb thing I just foolishly/poorly wrote, it is for the best. Instead, post this twice. :((
That was awesome, Greg. Thank you.
Especially this: "The greatest player of all time, under-appreciated because of the over-simplification of winning and the over-valuing of winning one game..."
I was exactly 50/50 about this game before Irsay had to open his mouth and prove that he's the asshole I always suspected him to be. Now I really want to see the GOAT throw nine touchdowns, and look good doing it.
(Of course, if Luck throws eight and the Colts lose by a field goal, that'd be great, too.)
@DougEngland Kravitz makes up othet stuff, so I have no reason to believe him. He should work on his credibility if he wants me to believe him.
@DougEngland Come on, you know he´d be civil even towards Bill Simmons and (shudder) Skip Bayless, though I´d imagine he´d make sure he could leave as fast as his 2-minutes drill 5 minutes into the interview.
@pierrezombie I need to hear Irsay comment on it. I won't go so far as to say that Kravitz made it up, but I'd want confirmation from whoever he interviews that what was claimed was indeed what was said and intended.
@pierrezombie I have no idea if it´s true or not, but I do know if there´s one person Kravitz would gladly (gleefully! maniacally!) slander, it´s Polian.
@RobertItoh I keep thinking the same thing. I don't know how I will feel when the dust settles but I'm too conflicted to just say I want the Colts or I want Peyton to win. This is the regular season...a tie, perhaps? The Broncos remain undefeated and the Colts should still win the South easily. I want to see Robert get his sack of Peyton that I know he wants badly and I want to see Antoine pick him off. I want to see Reggie catch a pass from him in warm ups and I want Peyton to come over to #31 and just yell, "Goddamnit Donald!" for old time's sake. I want Andrew to throw four TD passes and Peyton to throw four TD passes and the game to end in a tie because AV kicks a 55yd FG for the last points of the game in OT. Is that fairy tale enough?
@mattshedd In my opinion, it's easy. Andrew Luck is your quarterback, not Peyton Manning. I apprecaite everything Manning did for the Colts, but the moment he was release, he was no longer my quarterback.
I have no problem with people wanting to see Manning do well (even if I personally loathe the Broncos and want to see them lose, I understand why people would root for them). I get that. I really do. That being said, the one thing I absoutley cannot countenance is rooting for the Colts to lose Sunday's game.
Are you kidding me!?!?!?! You NEVER root against the Colts. Period. Wishing a former player to do well is fine, but NEVER at the expense of the horseshoe and ESPECIALLY when the team is fighting for control of the division and playoff positioning!
Just as importantly, rooting for the Broncos Sunday disrespects Andrew Luck! This guy is going to be amazing. He is an elite quarterback in year two and has all the tools to be an even better player than Manning. That's right I said it and I stand by it! I loved Peyton Manning, but Andrew Luck can be even better! (Assuming the coaches poor scheme doesn't hold him back).
It's fine to miss Manning and even fine to cheer for him when he doesn't play the Colts. But to cheer for him AGAINST the Colts? That is a slap in the face. No player, not even Manning, transcends the team.
@pierrezombie I know some will accuse us of not being true Colts fans, but I totally agree with you.
I really didn't know how I would feel once this game actually arrived, only that I was totally dreading it. And that I never would be able to root against Peyton Manning.
Then came Irsay's comments... And they literally made me sick to my stomach. I could barely sleep Tuesday night, dreading how the remarks would be interpreted and analyized.
The worst was this notion, that it was some form of gamesmanship by Irsay and the Colts . That if this game was built up enough, that the game would become too big for Peyton, too important... and that he would choke.
So if the owner of the team thinks Peyton is a choker, what does that mean for those of us that have defended him all these years? That we were wrong...
Well, I KNOW I am not wrong about #18. And I will never be able to say goodbye to him.
@pierrezombie I just cannot understand why he did that. Badmouthing in the NFL happens when mediocrity is involved, but after 11 playoffs and an SB win? Dissing Polian and taking chepa shots at Peyton? The entire NFL, present and past, is up in arms about it (Tarkenton´s youtube video is incendiary). Do you really think Irsay´s always been an asshole, pierrezombie, and not just a boasting fool?
And maybe Marvin and Edge are wearing tear-away street clothes with Colts jerseys underneath, and they come streaming off the sidelines to join the game in the 4th quarter, while somehow both Manning and Luck engineer simultaneous, 99 yard comeback TD drives to end the game!
I mean, hey... If you're gonna dream, you might as well dream big.
@TrueBlue87 Except he isn't. Manning is, and it was wrong to do what we did to him. That is the point I am making.
"You NEVER root against the Colts. "
Who is the "you" in this sentence? Do you actually mean "I", or are you instructing others about how to be football fans?
@TrueBlue87 You are right. It is a slap in the face--which is exactly why I am doing it. I want the Ownership to know that I disagree, that I am hurt and angry. I am still a fan or I wouldn't be so upset about it, but I am a wounded fan.
Doug E, I'm with you 100%, as usual.
And I think criticizing someone else's fandom is both ridiculous and about as small minded as it gets.
@DougEngland Those comments were an insult to Peyton, an insult to Polian, and a slap in the face to all the Colts teams that went to the playoffs year after year, by giving it their all. The fact that Irsay understands nothing about how games are won on a consistent basis could be merely an intellectual disagreement, but that he expressed his views by undermining his own team´s achievements is unforgivable to me as a Colts fan even beyond the deep hurt I feel as a Peyton fan.
What the players and coaches went through in 2005, to see it reduced to a disappointment in Irsay´s eyes? So callous it leaves me breathless. The players and coaches´ heartbreak in 2009, to see it amount to a clinical "they came up short"? Those are two examples among many for the 1998-2010 Colts, and we all carry them in our hearts. They are not stains on a record; like all scars, they give shape to the map of our journeys, they carry the richness of our experiences, the depth of meaning that makes joy irreplaceable.
If you feel the need to to spit on your past, it´s because you are not at peace with your present and what you have done with your own hands, your own will to get where you are. Revealing that it´s the owner who can so casually dismiss hard-fought feats.
@DougEngland This will be the only time that I have ever, or will ever, cheer against the Colts. i just hope that after his 4 or 5th TD pass, Manning turns and looks right at the owners box and takes a bow.
I guess in my irritation that "always" snuck in there. Honestly, before Peyton got hurt and Twitter came to rule the world, Irsay was exactly the kind of non-entity to me that I think team owners should be. Pay the bills, show up on the sidelines after a big win, say something great on the SB podium, like Pat Bowlen. That's all.
I think the fact that he is now one of the primary representatives of the team says a lot about the motivations behind some of his recent decisions.
The way that he dissed the two people who've done the most for his franchise in its history without provocation is why I'm now pretty sure that "asshole" about sums it up.
I know some will say that Irsay is really not that smart and that he says things without really thinking. Who knows what is truly in his mind? I believe it probably has to do with him being this man/child that still feels the need to justify letting Peyton go.
Why Irsay could just not stick with the mantra that everything worked out best for Peyton and the Colts is beyond me.
@Goéland @Fondue @DougEngland Yeah, makes me kinda sick, too. There's no doubt that a slight bit of disappointment lingers over the last decade. How could it not? I LOATHE counting Lombardis but change two plays out of thousands (say,Vandy's shank in 05 and we get the ball 1st in OT, followed by Baskett doing his job in 09), and we're one of the all time great dynasties, Peyton undisputed GOAT, and a few more classic Colts in the HOF. But I still wouldn't trade our run for anyone else's, NE included. As Nate once said, when all's said and done what really matters most is the amount of Sundays spent happy. Combine that number with the personalities that went into it and you've got something very special indeed. Go horse (both blue and orange).
@Fondue @DougEngland Why do people cling to the belief there is a foolproof way to win in the playoffs? Once you get there, there is no guarantee. None. Zip. Nada. If you truly believe only a SB win is worth it, you´re effectively saying luck is more valuable to your franchise than preparation and consistency. Isn´t that a profoundly defeatist way to see the game, contrary to what is parroted?
@DougEngland Meanwhile, what do this game and this season mean for Peyton? How about potentially being the first team to go 19-0 (early, I know, but hardly out of the question)? Or at least winning another ring (and if the AFC stays close every game matters for seeding)? Does anyone understand how huge that is for the franchise's savior, the one who put this team on the map and completely revitalized a city? He's had a few bad games in the postseason (and what QB hasn't), but another ring is going to completely transform the guy's legacy (and make it a hell of a lot easier for guys like us to defend him from internet forum troglodytes). So I'm just going to have to say it. I think I'm gonna pull for Peyton in this one. What the game means for him vs. what it means for us is night and day.
@DougEngland I used to comment a lot more on 18to88 and the wee infancy of CA, before PT school started, but what you wrote, times 10. Seems like you, Pierre, and Goéland (among many others in this, the most passionate and reasonable Colts blog I've ever seen) can actually begin to fathom where I'm coming from in this game. I mean geeze, I'm always going to root for any Indiana team, but this, this is just...different. Peyton is what got me into the entire institution of sports as a high school freshman, what got me away from video games and comic books (not that there's necessarily anything wrong with those things). I'm not going to say he altered the course of my life or anything, but what he (and the rest of those classic Colts) gave me was pretty much irreplaceable. The championship window we have with Luck is huge, and it ain't even really open yet. Barring a catastrophic injury, they're gonna win the division. And then what? In today's NFL you never know, maybe the get hot, but their chances of actually winning it all is still pretty freakin' nil. So suppose we overachieve and lose in the AFC Championship. Will it even matter two years later?
@pierrezombie True that Colts Authority may not be the media room during Super Bowl week, but it´s undoubtedly the best bar to congregate in with your friends during and after the game, partaking in shared laughter, misery, groans and exultation.
@pierrezombie Maybe you missed Nate´s explanation of why he will wear #18 to the game as well? http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1812722-colts-vs-broncos-manning-vs-luck-whats-a-true-fan-to-do
(in case you had already read it, just ignore me)
ETA: oh, and I forgot to mention his Eyes in the Backfield column will be 18 items long this week, for Peyton´s sake. I´m tingling in anticipation.
@gizzardfanny @TrueBlue87 @mattshedd I understand the sentiment, and I know that I am an oddball on this, but for me, loyalty matters in situations like this. I don't think it would be nearly as bad if they had handled it better, but the totality of the situation leaves me feeling that Manning was mistreated.
I will continue to be a Colts fan, but this Sunday is my week of protest which I have planned from the day he signed with Denver. This one game is my way of saying "I disapprove."
I agree. This would all bother me ten times less if Irsay had stuck to the "we both wanted him to stay, but we had to make a business decision" angle.i could rationalize and accept that, especially given the circumstances.
But all the New Regime stuff smacked of ingratitude, just like his comments this week. (And funny how he backpedaled them so that it was mostly a criticism of Polian -- yeah, what did that guy ever do for the franchise!?)
@TrueBlue87 @mattshedd I agree with your desire to root for the Colts and Luck. I disagree that is is a known as to whether Peyton could have been successful in Indy. Read Nate's 8 Myths post. Trading the Luck pick could have changed a lot. We'll never know. There is no chance everyone knew anything at all.
I will root for the Colts and #12 this week. I don't think it can be said with any certainty, even with hindsight, which direction would be better. That is a testament to how much I like Andrew Luck because Peyton is playing out of his mind right now and I think he will for a couple more years.
Furthermore, Peyton will continue to hold a special place in most of our football hearts. He deserves it and I think human connections with other people are more important than the jerseys they wear or my proximity to their geographic home stadium. I have room for the Colts, Andrew Luck, and Peyton Manning as well.
@TrueBlue87 Even though I will never agree with it, I have come to accept the notion that perhaps what happened has worked out best for the Colts and Peyton.
Colts are my favorite team.
Colts Authority is by FAR my favorite blog. (I mean even if I did ever want to find a new team, I couldn't, because there is no other Team Blog that even comes close to CA.)
But Peyton is my favorite QB.
@mattshedd @TrueBlue87 Then we simply have a fundamental disagreement. What the Colts did with Manning wasn't wrong. It was smart. Manning wasn't going to be successfull in Indianapolis anymore. He knew it , we knew it, Irsay knew it.
Andrew Luck has the potential to be the greatest ever, greater even than Manning. Pining for something which can never be again is disrespectful to 12.
@mattshedd @TrueBlue87 Has Jim Irsay been a bit dumb? Yeah. Personally, I think his shots were more at Polian than at Manning since, as Kravitz pointed out, he said something similar abck in July. But I will NEVER root against my team. You spoke about being faithful, but in my view, chosing a former player over the current team is far more egregious than the inverse.
"Jim is making this personal. I'm surprised." - Tony Dungy
When Tony Dungy's not on your side, you've got a problem.
@DougEngland That's because Wormtongue isn't a Colts fan. Never has been and never will be.
I hear ya. Of course, Wormtongue Kravitz, has no idea what you are talking about or feeling. Which, makes you all the more right.
It's starting to look that way, which is pretty sad (that Irsay could be such an ungrateful narcissist).
And kind of terrifying for the future of the team. How many first round playoff exits using this new formula will it take before Irsay realizes that relying on your franchise QB was the best strategy all along?
@pierrezombie And he did it on a week when Marvin and Edge will be in the Luke, after announcing there would be a tribute to Peyton before the game. That makes the whole thing feel cynical, when what it should be is humbled on all sides. One of the biggest public relations (and personal connections) screw-up in sports in recent memory (after the 2012 one, as if that wasn´t a stinging enough wound. Way to go).
@pierrezombie I'm pretty sure he dissed those two people because he wanted to be face of the franchise. Part of me thinks/fears that for the same reason, he will never let Luck carry the team.
Absolutely. Even my five year old daughter knows that it's not a good idea to make Peyton mad. Hulk Peyton is far more dangerous than everyday, I Will Come Back To Kick Your Ass For 15 Years Peyton.
@DougEngland Agreed. This has all been a good way to ruin what should have been a week of honoring Peyton's importance to Indy and the fans as well as building up on the showdown between the two teams and two great QBs. Irsay has managed to hijack the news cycle so that he could justify his decisions to the public and the media.
The reporter on the NFL network (sorry I can't remember his name) said Pagano. (And regardless of Irsay's intentions or lack thereof, it still pisses me off that it gives extra fodder to the 24/7 news cycle.)
@DougEngland Wait, Pagano or Irsay? And also, I'm not sure that is an indication that this is all just some elaborate scheme to get Peyton worked up. Think about the consequences of pissing Peyton off...not for this game but for the end of Peyton's NFL career. Why would anyone (Irsay, Pagano, or otherwise) risk burning the relationship between Indy and Peyton to the ground? I really just think Irsay is an immature old man with a big mouth. I don't think any of this is schemed.
Here is the thing though... I saw on the NFL channel yesterday this reporter who had covered Pagano's news conference, where he was asked if he thought that if this game got too big for Peyton it would work to the Colts advantage. According to this guy, Pagano actually "smirked" and replied "we'll find out."
Now, I don't know if Pagano actually "smirked" or not, but the narrative is out there. And that is what really pisses me off.
@DougEngland I will say that. I think to suggest that this is gamesmanship on Irsay's part is giving him too much credit. I think he just has a big mouth and opens it, letting garbage come out, without thinking about what he is saying or what the consequences will be. He's just not that smart. I think he regrets saying what he said out loud but we all gained insight on how the gears turn inside his head.
I do not know why he cannot just say something respectful and stop at that. Check that. Yes, I do. I think we all know.